where you at? - encounters with rude expats
By hezamarie on Aug 11, 2008 | In *Expat Life* | 15 feedbacks »
where’s heza? I’m asking myself that too. I’ve written some stuff behind the blog, however, it sucks. But to break the silence, I’m still here.
I’ve been a bit dissatisfied with my blogification skills and I expect it to get worse as the semester winds down. My mood isn’t right for blogging.
Maybe I’ll just post some photos and forget being bogged down with text. So enjoy the last of my English banter for the summer. perhaps…
News:
So I’m granted two more years in Germany. Thank you Herr S.. and to Alex for saying yes!!
Now on to year three in Munich. I wonder what the future will hold.
And one thing to air out:
This thing weighing on my mind is a series of recent summer snafus within our circle of acquaintances. In Munich, it’s relatively easy to meet new people here from all different backgrounds. For the most part, we’ve met some really interesting, genuine people. But as luck would also have it, we’ve had our share of weirdo encounters.
It’s become increasingly embarrasing hanging out with certain English speakers in Munich. I’m not sure if I can pin point the source. It is not just those who spend their numbered days here in Germany in their English speaking bubble and don’t attempt to learn a lick of German or the German people/culture. There are English speakers who have lived in a German speaking country for over a decade, but still have no qualms about dragging out old, invective stereotypes to get a rattled heh from the few in earshot:
One example of this happened in a middle of a discussion between myself, a guy from Ireland and Englander about the behavior of a couple of Germans hushing the people at our table while an Argentinian band played in a packed bar. The increasingly louder Irishman, out of the blue, asked me if I’ve ever called my “sitting-at-the-same-table” boyfriend a Nazi.
Another time, a Canadian got obnoxious with Alex about religion in Germany versus the U.S. Like the last example, this one also got louder and talked over Alex about how Germany is far more religious than America. Part of his argument was based on the fact that he stepped into a church in Heidhausen and saw about 100 people in church.
One could blame the alcohol that they consume for their rudeness and blatant arrogance. Maybe it’s the whole prohibition of alcohol until 18/21 y/o in most English speaking countries that makes binging still such a rave even way into our late 20s. what a dull excuse to exempt us from being responsible for our behavior! But we are all having drinks during these occasions and not all of us are acting like primates. Maybe it has nothing to do with alcohol. Maybe it’s male ego in the presence of a woman.
I have not experienced this kind of obnoxious behavior from the Germans or other Europeans I’ve spoken to. Come to think of it though, I don’t hang out with any Europeans who make it a mission to get as close to being blind drunk either.
I do have the advantage of being in a bi-cultural relationship (tri- if you count the my Filipino part) and the ability to communicate with German-speaking people. But it’s also taken a great deal of effort on my part to get to this point and knowing when to swallow when I’ve been wrong with my assumptions. Perhaps I have a difficult time tolerating people who see their host country in “black and white” and don’t wish to listen to those who know things in a grayer light.
It’s sad but I think I’ll stay clear from those frat-boy type expats, whose major reason to take a job in Munich is to train for Oktoberfest beer gluttony. It’s just not worth the frustration.
Have you had any similar encounters with embarrassing expats? funny or annoying stories? Any tips how to handle them?
15 comments
Was tun das nächste mal? Aufstehen, gehen. Jede Diskussion mit einem Menschen, der Dich fragt, ob Du Deinen anwesenden Freund schon einmal als 'Nazi' bezeichnet hast, ist verschwendete Zeit. Es gibt interessantere Menschen zum Kennenlernen. Jemmanden wie Dich zu Beispiel.
I guess I'm not an expat yet so it's difficult to bond with other expats living in DK. I was very eager to meet new people, but now I'd rather stay in my corner.
I would like to apologize on the behave of that obnoxious Canadian.
Don't let my examples discourage you. Like I said, since I've lived in a foreign country I've met a lot of cool people from all kinds of backgrounds. It's been worth it, even if I've had to deal with a few meat heads along the way.
But like Ingo suggests in German: It's best to get up and walk away from people who are looking for a fight or stir up controversy. There are far more interesting people to meet in the world.
good luck with your move!
Don't let it get you or Alex down. There are so many wonderful ex-pats who enjoy what they are experiencing.
I also must mention an encounter I had here in New Hampshire. A woman at the Post Office was speaking to the postal clerk and I overheard her.
I smiled and asked if she was German. She snapped at me that she was and when I asked where, she said Bavaria, and that I'd probably never heard of it. Hello? I recognized her accent and yet she assumed I was a stupid American.
Anyway, I smiled and asked again where. Well it turned out she was from the village where I'd gotten my dackel, Shubi. And after a while I think she actually smiled.
Perhaps sometimes people act strangely because they are nervous.
I'm glad you will have more time there. All I can say is do what feels right and be with the people who make you feel good.
Have you had any similar encounters with embarrassing expats? funny or annoying stories? Any tips how to handle them?
Sarah and I steer clear of the English-speakers when we see/hear them (yeah — often we can recognize them on sight). Usually, around Regesnburg, it's little old ladies and men happily participating on their off-the-river-boat-tour or something like that, but every once in a while it's someone loud, obnoxious and with whom I'm embarrassed to share a passport or regional identity. Our instinct is now to clam up and let the moment pass.
Whenever someone (new acquaintances mostly — usually not in customer service situations, except unless bureaucratic ones) asks us where we're from we don't try to hide it. On the contrary, I want Germans to be surprised by our attempts at German and integration into their society, to show them not all Americans fit whatever pre-conceived notions they may have had about how "we" behave.
I guess I'm beating myself up over the fact that I let myself and Alex be exposed to such shitheads and the ones who are cool and civil are unfortunately lemmings. Lost time, lost effort -I can't ever gain it back, grr.
There maybe parallels or common threads between people from different countries, but we all know, history is recounted through the eyes (wishes) of the storyteller. These 'tales' can have major discrepancies over the same event and these influence even the most educated of people.
Even if we only have trivial differences between ourselves, these still facilitate tremendous challenges against effective communication and 'playing nice' between people from different lands.
What I'm saying is that it takes effort to 'play nice' and in my recent experience, I've met one too many English-speaking expats this summer that don't make the effort.
But I'll give you credit that the reverse to the situations I described here unfortunately also exist and character does play a role.
Among the people I have had a negative experience with, they all are fairly educated/have money to blow, and yet they still vocalize the fact that they came from x country and therefore have the right to act in a certain manner with no regard to people/country/customs from their host country.
One larger problem I personally have is in teaching. I've been given curriculum that's blatantly ridiculous (i.e. books that say English speakers are inherently more polite than Germans because of our culture)... and then I meet some Amis over here and want to hide under the table because of their behavior. And it's not just alcohol. Enjoy a night out in Cologne and you'll meet plenty of Germans who can't hold their liquor or their tongues either. Humans can be, well, embarrassing.
Fortunately most people are pretty decent. I think there is a 90/10 rule. 90% of all people are decent, but the 10% dipshits get 90% of the attention.
As to what you wrote about drinking:
"Maybe it’s the whole prohibition of alcohol until 18/21 y/o in most English speaking countries that makes binging still such a rave even way into our late 20s."
When spending a year in Northern Ireland to complete my master course (about 20 years ago) this is exactly what I felt. All the students around me were so happy to finally be allowed to drink and to be away from their parent's watchful eyes, the drank to an excess I had never seen before. Still, only the ones who were idiots when sober became (or stayed) idiots when drunk.
How to handle these people? Stay clear of them if possible, ignore if unavoidable. Everything else is probably a waste of time.
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