Ingo says:
Ingo
Jede Art von schwarz-oder-weiß Denken stößt mich ab. Kontroverse Diskussionen? Ja! Stereotypen? Nein!

Was tun das nächste mal? Aufstehen, gehen. Jede Diskussion mit einem Menschen, der Dich fragt, ob Du Deinen anwesenden Freund schon einmal als 'Nazi' bezeichnet hast, ist verschwendete Zeit. Es gibt interessantere Menschen zum Kennenlernen. Jemmanden wie Dich zu Beispiel.
on Mon, August 11, 2008 @ 21:21
bluefish says:
bluefish
I got rude comments on my blog because people didn't like the way I wrote. Although I never met them they quickly judged me on my writing. That really pissed me off.

I guess I'm not an expat yet so it's difficult to bond with other expats living in DK. I was very eager to meet new people, but now I'd rather stay in my corner.

I would like to apologize on the behave of that obnoxious Canadian.
on Mon, August 11, 2008 @ 21:54
hezamarie says:
hezamarie
Du, Ingo, hast vollkommen Recht und danke für die Kompliment :)
on Mon, August 11, 2008 @ 23:33
hezamarie says:
hezamarie
hey bluefish, Canada's a big place. I know not every Canadian has issues.

Don't let my examples discourage you. Like I said, since I've lived in a foreign country I've met a lot of cool people from all kinds of backgrounds. It's been worth it, even if I've had to deal with a few meat heads along the way.

But like Ingo suggests in German: It's best to get up and walk away from people who are looking for a fight or stir up controversy. There are far more interesting people to meet in the world.

good luck with your move!
on Mon, August 11, 2008 @ 23:48
bluefish says:
bluefish
Thank you for your encouragement.
on Tue, August 12, 2008 @ 00:21
Maribeth says:
Maribeth
Unfortunately, no matter where you go in the world, and I have traveled extensively and Hubby has lived in Germany and Hong Kong, people like this exist. I remember being in Oberamergau and a man from Texas came into the shop I was looking around in and asked a nice clerk in a loud rude voice, "How much is this in real money". This was back in 1989 when there was no Euro and still DM.
Don't let it get you or Alex down. There are so many wonderful ex-pats who enjoy what they are experiencing.
I also must mention an encounter I had here in New Hampshire. A woman at the Post Office was speaking to the postal clerk and I overheard her.
I smiled and asked if she was German. She snapped at me that she was and when I asked where, she said Bavaria, and that I'd probably never heard of it. Hello? I recognized her accent and yet she assumed I was a stupid American.
Anyway, I smiled and asked again where. Well it turned out she was from the village where I'd gotten my dackel, Shubi. And after a while I think she actually smiled.
Perhaps sometimes people act strangely because they are nervous.
I'm glad you will have more time there. All I can say is do what feels right and be with the people who make you feel good.
on Tue, August 12, 2008 @ 00:41
cliff1976 says:
cliff1976
Have you had any similar encounters with embarrassing expats? funny or annoying stories? Any tips how to handle them?


Sarah and I steer clear of the English-speakers when we see/hear them (yeah — often we can recognize them on sight). Usually, around Regesnburg, it's little old ladies and men happily participating on their off-the-river-boat-tour or something like that, but every once in a while it's someone loud, obnoxious and with whom I'm embarrassed to share a passport or regional identity. Our instinct is now to clam up and let the moment pass.

Whenever someone (new acquaintances mostly — usually not in customer service situations, except unless bureaucratic ones) asks us where we're from we don't try to hide it. On the contrary, I want Germans to be surprised by our attempts at German and integration into their society, to show them not all Americans fit whatever pre-conceived notions they may have had about how "we" behave.
on Tue, August 12, 2008 @ 07:32
A Free Man says:
A Free Man
I tend to steer clear of American expats generally, or at least don't spend time with people JUST because we're Americans. But it's not just an expat thing - some people are just assholes, and the drink just brings it out more.
on Wed, August 13, 2008 @ 12:38
hezamarie says:
hezamarie
Thanks Maribeth, Cliff and Free Man for the comments.

I guess I'm beating myself up over the fact that I let myself and Alex be exposed to such shitheads and the ones who are cool and civil are unfortunately lemmings. Lost time, lost effort -I can't ever gain it back, grr.
on Wed, August 13, 2008 @ 12:48
Holomorph says:
Holomorph
There are also Germans who have many prejudices against Americans and who are rude in their presence. Some Germans have the oppinion all Americans must be Christian fundamentalists who want to conquer the world. So, such a terrible sitation which you are reporting may also happen the other way round. If some people cannot behave properly, this shouldnt be projected to their nationality but to their education or character. Sureley, there are some differences in the mentalities between different countries or even continents, but regarding our same history and origins these differences are rather small...
on Fri, August 15, 2008 @ 13:37
hezamarie says:
hezamarie
I'm not sure where you are coming from, Holomorph, when you refer to 'same history and origins' between countries.

There maybe parallels or common threads between people from different countries, but we all know, history is recounted through the eyes (wishes) of the storyteller. These 'tales' can have major discrepancies over the same event and these influence even the most educated of people.

Even if we only have trivial differences between ourselves, these still facilitate tremendous challenges against effective communication and 'playing nice' between people from different lands.

What I'm saying is that it takes effort to 'play nice' and in my recent experience, I've met one too many English-speaking expats this summer that don't make the effort.

But I'll give you credit that the reverse to the situations I described here unfortunately also exist and character does play a role.

Among the people I have had a negative experience with, they all are fairly educated/have money to blow, and yet they still vocalize the fact that they came from x country and therefore have the right to act in a certain manner with no regard to people/country/customs from their host country.
on Fri, August 15, 2008 @ 16:07
Kevin Anglim says:
Kevin Anglim
I am here working for the military as a teacher.I live far from base in the nearest large town. My window is facing a street and I hear alot that goes on in my town from my window. If you think ex pats in munich are embarresing try being surronded by right wing 17 to 40 yr old pro american hooah! battle boot wearing americans. I am an artist from NYC I like my far left wing home.When i get embarresed by my friends I just tell them quiet down! you are being an ugly american if they cannot accept my advice then i refrain from hanging out with them again. On the flip side because I live in an area surronded by G.I.joe's I often get stereotyped as one of them and conversely treated like one by the local population. I do not blame the local Germans for being resentfull or rude but sometimes I think that they should see beyond the stereotype
on Fri, August 15, 2008 @ 21:51
C says:
C
In my three years here, I've encountered my fair share of hoo-hahs from pretty much every country in the world... it just feels more disappointing when you feel some strange affinity with the hoo-hahs because they speak your native tongue fluently. My only advice is to choose your companions wisely, no matter where they're from.

One larger problem I personally have is in teaching. I've been given curriculum that's blatantly ridiculous (i.e. books that say English speakers are inherently more polite than Germans because of our culture)... and then I meet some Amis over here and want to hide under the table because of their behavior. And it's not just alcohol. Enjoy a night out in Cologne and you'll meet plenty of Germans who can't hold their liquor or their tongues either. Humans can be, well, embarrassing.
on Sat, August 16, 2008 @ 14:07
Angel says:
Angel
I agree with most commentators here: certain people are simply embarrassing no matter where they come from. Being German I get embarrassed when meeting other Germans abroad who behave like a sledgehammer towards the guest land's culture.

Fortunately most people are pretty decent. I think there is a 90/10 rule. 90% of all people are decent, but the 10% dipshits get 90% of the attention.

As to what you wrote about drinking:
"Maybe it’s the whole prohibition of alcohol until 18/21 y/o in most English speaking countries that makes binging still such a rave even way into our late 20s."

When spending a year in Northern Ireland to complete my master course (about 20 years ago) this is exactly what I felt. All the students around me were so happy to finally be allowed to drink and to be away from their parent's watchful eyes, the drank to an excess I had never seen before. Still, only the ones who were idiots when sober became (or stayed) idiots when drunk.

How to handle these people? Stay clear of them if possible, ignore if unavoidable. Everything else is probably a waste of time.
on Mon, August 18, 2008 @ 14:39
ian in hamburg
I wonder if the same people you had such an unpleasant time with are also among the lot who hang out on Toytown Germany. You want ranting intolerance against Germans? Look no further.
on Tue, August 19, 2008 @ 13:14

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